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Central coast as part of Sydney

They Sydney article needs to be updated to acknowledge the Central Coast as part of Sydney. Proposing the below edits for discussion before making them:

The following will be changed: From: "Located on Australia's east coast, the metropolis surrounds Sydney Harbour and extends about 80 km (50 mi) from the Pacific Ocean in the east to the Blue Mountains in the west, and about 80 km (50 mi) from Ku-ring-gai Chase National Park and the Hawkesbury River in the north and north-west, to the Royal National Park and Macarthur in the south and south-west"

To: "Located on Australia's east coast, the metropolis surrounds Sydney Harbour and extends about 80 km (50 mi) from the Pacific Ocean in the east to the Blue Mountains in the west, and about 130 km (80 mi) from Gwandalan on Lake Macquarie in the north, to the Royal National Park and Macarthur in the south and south-west"

From: "Greater Sydney consists of 658 suburbs, spread across 33 local government areas." To: "Greater Sydney consists of 658 suburbs, spread across 34 local government areas."

From: "Sydney is a coastal basin with the Tasman Sea to the east, the Blue Mountains to the west, the Hawkesbury River to the north, and the Woronora Plateau to the south." To: "Sydney is a coastal basin with the Tasman Sea to the east, the Blue Mountains to the west, the Lake Macquarie to the north, and the Woronora Plateau to the south."

From: Sydney spans two geographic regions. The Cumberland Plain lies to the south and west of the Harbour and is relatively flat. The Hornsby Plateau is located to the north and is dissected by steep valleys. To: Sydney spans three geographic regions. The Cumberland Plain lies to the south and west of the Harbour and is relatively flat. The Hornsby Plateau is located to the north and is dissected by steep valleys. The Central Coast is boarded by the Yengo National Park to the west and Lake Macquarie to the north

From: "There is no single definition of the boundaries of Sydney. The Australian Statistical Geography Standard definition of Greater Sydney covers 12,369 km2 (4,776 sq mi) and includes the local government areas of Central Coast in the north"

"The boundaries of Greater Sydney are based on those of the Australian Statistical Geography Standard definition of Greater Sydney and covers 12,369 km2 (4,776 sq mi) and includes the local government areas of Central Coast in the north..."

From: 'Northern Sydney' includes the suburbs in the Upper North Shore, Lower North Shore and the Northern Beaches. The Northern Suburbs include several landmarks – Macquarie University, Gladesville Bridge, Ryde Bridge, Macquarie Centre and Curzon Hall in Marsfield. This area includes suburbs in the local government areas of Hornsby Shire, Ku-ring-gai Council, City of Ryde, the Municipality of Hunter's Hill and parts of the City of Parramatta.

To: 'Northern Sydney' includes the suburbs in the Upper North Shore, Lower North Shore, the Northern Beaches and the Central Coast to Lake Macquarie. The Northern Suburbs include several landmarks – Macquarie University, Gladesville Bridge, Ryde Bridge, Macquarie Centre and Curzon Hall in Marsfield. This area includes suburbs in the local government areas of Hornsby Shire, Ku-ring-gai Council, City of Ryde, the Municipality of Hunter's Hill, parts of the City of Parramatta and the Central Coast."

From: Interactive map doesn't include central coast To: Remove as not accurate Melbourne001 (talk) 04:03, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that there is no official definition of Sydney or Greater Sydney and we can't say there is when there isn't. Cities like NYC, London and Paris have clear, legislated boundaries. Sydney does not. The most commonly used boundary for statistical purposes is the ABS Greater Sydney Region, but this is just their boundary in order to make stable population estimates easier over time. It is not the "true" boundary of Sydney. There is a separate article on Greater Sydney which uses various definition for Greater Sydney. Many of these are ad hoc constructions with little commonality. The article on Greater Sydney was merged some years ago and was demerged again a couple of years ago. I think the two articles need to be merged again and the various definitions listed and briefly discussed in the article. Once this is done, we can produce maps of the major boundaries. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 07:50, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"GDP" figures

An editor wishes to add GDP figures for Sydney in the info box. The problems with this are: 1) there is no such thing as "GDP" for cities. The nearest concept is gross Regional product. 2) The estimates are for 2019 and therefore dated. 3) There is no evidence that this is a reliable source. It is a self-published report from a commercial consultant. 4) The info box is supposed to be a summary of key facts from the article. There is no discussion of this in the article. @Василенко1990 Happy to discuss Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 02:51, 24 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]

What about this source is it good?

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Global-Wealth-Distribution.html Василенко1990 (talk) 04:37, 24 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that I have no idea whether they are a reliable source and where they get their data from. Nor is it clear what they are measuring. Nor is there any discussion in the article about different measures of the city's economy. The point is we don't just add information to the info box because there is a parameter there. The info box is supposed to only include key facts from the article. See MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE. If you want to add a section to the article discussing various measures of the Sydney economy that would be fine. We shouldn't put it in the info box until we have reliably sourced content in the article. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 04:58, 24 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]

i found GDP data in this government website below under section Greater Sydney -> Economic context. It says "In 2021/22 Greater Sydney generated an estimated economic output of over $490 billion which represented 23% of Australia’s". Seems to be reliable source.

https://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/guides/city-at-a-glance

Also in Sydney's article "Economy" section there is this mention of GDP

"Sydney's nominal gross domestic product was AU$400.9 billion and AU$80,000 per capita[293] in 2015.[294][291] Its gross domestic product was AU$337 billion in 2013, the largest in Australia." Василенко1990 (talk) 06:16, 24 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]

By all means, update the figures in the article. Then we can discuss whether they should be included in the info box. A can't see where the City of Sydney got their economic output figures though. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 07:05, 24 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]